it is preeminent importance we make sure kids are in a safe and secure environment in our schools. we have to ensure that's happening. i think part of the problem with the dialogue that's happening today is that it's very sort of polarized to these extreme, right. so let's arm everyone. the teachers, the kids, you know. versus not. and i think that instead of sort of polarizing the debate, we have to have a very balanced conversation. having armed people in schools doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to have better outcomes. in the columbine tragedy, there were armed guards actually. >> a lot of armed people around. >> that's right, it didn't stop that from happen. that's not going to solve all of our problems. and that's why -- >> do you like the idea guns around children generally? >> absolutely not. >> i interviewed -- i met them, but it wasn't aired. it was two young female teachers in texas, in houston, both of whom wanted to have a conceal carry permit for themselves because they felt they needed one for personal safety but they hated the idea of any guns in the school.